Сб. Май 31st, 2025
Kazakh mythology about Naymans

The second mythology of Kazakhs is that Naimans are Segiz Oguzes.

Where do they get such nonsense at all?

Let’s look at the haplogroups of Manjur, Koreans and Kazakh Naimans. In idea Naiman (from Mong. eight), then there should be eight tribes. But they have not preserved their genealogical structure.

Here’s some interesting data on haplogroups:

Manchu O — 61%, C2 — 27.1%, N — 10.5%, R2 — 0.7%
Koreans haplogroup O — 68.4%, C2 — 26.3%

Kazakh Naimans O3 — 63%

As we know from history Mongolian tribe Xianbi carriers C3 subjugated many Manjur tribes like Mohe. Dunhu tribes just lived on the territory of contact with the ancestors of Koreans and Manjurs.

Xianbian belt

As we see Kazakh Naimans are carriers in the general mass of haplogroup O3 as at Manjurs and Koreans. I believe that the ancestors of Naymans (Manjurian-speaking) were subjugated by Mongolian Xianbians.

Just Dunhu were nomadic in those territories

And haplogroup C3 got to Koreans and Manjurs from their Xianbi rulers. In Korean mythology, it says Tumen from the Hori state. On snips at Manzhurian imperial family Aisin Giro C3 starklaster. Most likely has got from tribes Xianbi.

As we see Kazakh Naymans and Manjurs have practically equal parity with haplogroup O3.

But, not only in haplogroups the matter. At the time of disintegration of the Kidan Empire Yelui Dashi supported 18 tribes of Mongolian-Manjurian origin. The Kidanes themselves are Mongolian-speaking. Kidanes A parallel branch to the Mongols.

Yelyui-Dashi

The Kidane state of Yelyu Dashi is subsequently referred to as Kara-Kitai. The Naimans also built their own state. Naimans and Kara-Kitai jointly fought against Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Later they were subordinated and participated in campaigns under his grandsons. Many Kara-Kitai and Naimans fled to Desht-Kipchak.

But, genetically ancient Kidanes are carriers of the same C3, no O3. According to recent studies of DNA from Kidan graves and DNA of Mongol descendants in Yunnan and Guanshi provinces, showed that they are descendants of Kidans rather than Mongols. These people living in southern China also consider themselves descendants of the Qidan tribes sent to the south in the 14th century. It is also interesting that the study found that the people of the Daur nationality who live in present-day Manchuria are also descendants of the ancient Kidan tribes.

The myth that Naimans are Segiz-Oguzes collapses about their haplogroup and history. Genetically Naimans are rather descendants of those Mohe, who were subjugated by Mongols Xianbi. Further after the defeat Turkicized in Desht-Kipchak. Apparently, the damage from Genghis Khan was so severe that neither epics nor language remained from the rich Naiman culture.

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